Oh please. I was a LEO for 7 years and I understand the rights of individuals and the law. Let's not make this personal. I am, in fact quite reasonable.
The security guard was within his rights to to question the ass about the gun. Not knowing the current law, he inquired to the GCPD for clarification. GCPD decided to send officers to check and this also was the correct action. The fact that the ass decided to be an ass contributed the guard reacting the way that he did. I would imagine that acting like an ass led to the guard asking the gun owner to leave. I do not know how long it took for the officers to arrive at the park but the fact that the ass was acting like an ass when questioned led to the GCPD officers to decide to arrest him. Had he been a little cooperative, he could have gone on his merry way.
Two people could have de-escalated this situation and yes, the security guard was one. In the end, I think the judge is going to rule that the LEO's acted correctly and that the security guard and the gun owner should grow up. Case dismissed. _________________ There are two educations. One should teach us how to make a living and the other how to live.
As a gun catrrying citizen I think when you carry in public and are questioned by a LEo you have the obligation to show your permit and ID.! You also have the obligation to have the correct info on all licenses etc. Mismatching dates onyl yeilds to suspicion in my mind. The only person at fault here got what he brought on himself.
People just respect LEO's its a tough job and they really work hard at trying to respect citizens except when they act like asses!
Did someone delete my post on the previous page? _________________ People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest. -Hermann Hesse
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Oh please. I was a LEO for 7 years and I understand the rights of individuals and the law. Let's not make this personal. I am, in fact quite reasonable.
The security guard was within his rights to to question the ass about the gun. Not knowing the current law, he inquired to the GCPD for clarification. GCPD decided to send officers to check and this also was the correct action. The fact that the ass decided to be an ass contributed the guard reacting the way that he did. I would imagine that acting like an ass led to the guard asking the gun owner to leave. I do not know how long it took for the officers to arrive at the park but the fact that the ass was acting like an ass when questioned led to the GCPD officers to decide to arrest him. Had he been a little cooperative, he could have gone on his merry way.
Two people could have de-escalated this situation and yes, the security guard was one. In the end, I think the judge is going to rule that the LEO's acted correctly and that the security guard and the gun owner should grow up. Case dismissed.
The security guard was within his rights to to question the ass about the gun.
Just so we're clear: These "rights" to question the guy are not any different than one private citizen's rights to question another. The guy would have been perfectly well within in his rights to tell that security guard to go pound sand.
Highlander wrote:
Not knowing the current law, he inquired to the GCPD for clarification.
If he thinks his job is enforcing law, he should know it. As it stands, it's not a law he needs to know to do his job. His job, which is nothing but observe and report. To fill a uniform. That's it. The guy could have been raping ducks while snorting cocaine the security guard could do nothing more than he already did- which is call the police.
Highlander wrote:
GCPD decided to send officers to check and this also was the correct action. The fact that the ass decided to be an ass contributed the guard reacting the way that he did.
Agreed. Which tells you how unprofessional the guard was. The guard played right into that guy's game.
Highlander wrote:
I would imagine that acting like an ass led to the guard asking the gun owner to leave. I do not know how long it took for the officers to arrive at the park but the fact that the ass was acting like an ass when questioned led to the GCPD officers to decide to arrest him. Had he been a little cooperative, he could have gone on his merry way.
Cooperative isn't a prerequisite for release or arrest. I think as an LEO, that is the wrong attitude to have. Just because someone doesn't want to cooperate with police, doesn't mean we punish them for it. We're paid to think outside the box. Not punish someone because he makes our job a little harder. If that's why this guy was arrested, it would be a P.O.P. charge and it'd be BS. (Big "if" there.)
Highlander wrote:
In the end, I think the judge is going to rule that the LEO's acted correctly and that the security guard and the gun owner should grow up. Case dismissed.
Time will tell, but I don't share your optimism. I'm not saying the police acting inappropriately. What I'm saying is that I've seen plenty of good cops get railroaded by perp-friendly judges. But it could go either way. _________________ People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest. -Hermann Hesse
The opinions expressed by me are not that of my employing agency.
Cooperative isn't a prerequisite for release or arrest. I think as an LEO, that is the wrong attitude to have. Just because someone doesn't want to cooperate with police, doesn't mean we punish them for it. We're paid to think outside the box. Not punish someone because he makes our job a little harder. If that's why this guy was arrested, it would be a P.O.P. charge and it'd be BS. (Big "if" there.)
Agreed. I wasn't as clear as I should have been. What I meant was that the lack of cooperation contributed to the officers not having the information that they needed to clear up the situation. This probably lead the whole situation in another direction. A LEO's job is clearly to enforce the law not act in a judicial function and punish. Had this guy been more cooperative he might have have walked away. The right to free speech doesn't lend itself to obfuscation and the exercise of it bears some consequences for poor choice of words or attitude. Of course we were not there and typed words cannot adequately describe the situation. No offense but many LEOs are not handy with the prose...(present company excepted). I am fairly certain that the responding officers did not walk into this situation thinking that the gun toting person needed to be arrested. Perhaps they played into his game as well. I for one, while holding LEOs to higher standards than citizens, don't expect them to be perfect and in this case I don't think they were wrong.
I certainly hope that the perp-friendly judge is too busy for this one or can transfer this whole thing to juvenile court where the gun-toting plaintiff can be treated appropriately. _________________ There are two educations. One should teach us how to make a living and the other how to live.
Perhaps they played into his game as well. I for one, while holding LEOs to higher standards than citizens, don't expect them to be perfect and in this case I don't think they were wrong.
I certainly hope that the perp-friendly judge is too busy for this one or can transfer this whole thing to juvenile court where the gun-toting plaintiff can be treated appropriately.
HaHa! "Played into his game as well"... Gimme a break man. The citizen had already cleared with park management his right to carry the gun in the park. The citizen was trying to leave, after being asked to leave. And you think the citizen was playing games??? The citizen had done everything right and by the book. Now, if the judge rules against the security guard and Gwinnett county, it is only because the judge is "perp friendly"??? You are a very funny person! Perhaps it is a good thing that some careers only last seven years....
This thread is going to Nowheresville. Goodnight, y'all... _________________ Disclaimer: My thoughts do not necessarily reflect those of my employing agency. Also, do not take them as true, serious or accurate. Any information given should always be verified independently.
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I am fairly certain that the responding officers did not walk into this situation thinking that the gun toting person needed to be arrested. Perhaps they played into his game as well. I for one, while holding LEOs to higher standards than citizens, don't expect them to be perfect and in this case I don't think they were wrong.
